Pray For Them, I Guess.
You’ll remember yesterday I had a post about Fred Phelps and his buddies from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas going to Idaho to make the funeral of Idaho National Guard Cpl. Carrie French as hard as possible for her parents because they have it in their heads that God hates the US.
Intrepid submariner Bubblehead just got back from the event and sent me these pictures. All I can say is I agree with the look on the cops’ faces.
Yes that is a quiet residential neighborhood on a quiet June day, and yes those ignorant jerks are rudely intruding and making vulgar fools of themselves. But hey, that’s freedom of speech.
Oh, and Carrie graduated from high school last year. And she‘s just as pretty as that Natalee Holloway.
Update: Bubblehead has way more pictures at his place. I love the one with the shiny white Crown Vics doing all that ensuring-of-safety.
Update:
I put up a bunch more pictures here.
June 15th, 2005 at 9:17 pm
Hate shows up at a Soldiers funeral: Updated
Update Phelps was apparently such a tiny little speck in a vast sea of people that most couldn’t even see him. Bubblehead attended the services and both he and Ninme have a few pics. Binkyboy planned a big protest but
June 15th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
Hate shows up at a Soldiers funeral: Updated
Phelps was apparently such a tiny little speck in a vast sea of people that most couldn’t even see him. Bubblehead attended the services and both he and Ninme have a few pics. Binkyboy planned a big protest but couldn’t
June 15th, 2005 at 10:59 pm
Try to look at these people as monuments to the tolerance shown by American society, which they are.
Screaming Lord Such (Monster Raving Looney Party) suddenly doesn’t seem so crazy either.
June 16th, 2005 at 11:08 am
Fred Phelps, Salad Tosser Extraordinaire
Fred Phelps (warning: extremely offensive), the disgruntled turd burglar who years ago protested at the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shephard, is at it again. This time, he and his coalition of the anal pirates protested outside the funeral of …
June 19th, 2005 at 12:26 pm
But He Believes It’s True, So It Must Be Okay
Pray For Them, I Guess. You’ll remember yesterday I had a post about Fred Phelps and his buddies from Westboro…
June 20th, 2005 at 7:46 am
isn’t his time up yet?
How old a guy is Fred Phelps? I was hoping he’d be dead by now. Unfortunately, he outlived Idaho National Guard Cpl. Carrie French long enough to protest at her funeral. The author of this piece titled the post “Pray for them, I guess.…
June 20th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
But He Believes It’s True, So It Must Be Okay
Pray For Them, I Guess. You’ll remember yesterday I had a post about Fred Phelps and his buddies from Westboro…
June 20th, 2005 at 2:16 pm
But He Believes It’s True, So It Must Be Okay
Pray For Them, I Guess. You’ll remember yesterday I had a post about Fred Phelps and his buddies from Westboro…
June 20th, 2005 at 8:42 pm
Lefties Can’t Read? or Just Don’t?
Oliver Willis and PZ Myers are doing high-fives because one Conservative blogger, USS Neverdock, mis-identified Fred Phelps’ and his band of idiots protesting at the funeral of Iraqi war casualty Carrie French. Says Oliver: “One would be expecting way …
June 20th, 2005 at 8:43 pm
Lefties Can’t Read? or Just Don’t?
Oliver Willis and PZ Myers are doing high-fives because one Conservative blogger, USS Neverdock, mis-identified Fred Phelps’ and his band of idiots protesting at the funeral of Iraqi war casualty Carrie French. Says Oliver: “One would be expecting way …
June 20th, 2005 at 9:24 pm
Lefties Can’t Read? or Just Don’t?
Oliver Willis and PZ Myers are doing high-fives because one Conservative blogger, USS Neverdock, mis-identified Fred Phelps’ and his band of idiots protesting at the funeral of Iraqi war casualty Carrie French. Says Oliver: “One would be expecting way …
June 20th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
Sorry for the triple hit. If MT can’t get a reply to the TB ping, it sends every edit/save. Sorry. All done editing/saving now.
Great post, BTW.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:43 pm
Aww, thanks!
June 21st, 2005 at 7:10 am
“Dear Lord, please help these poor bastards to learn how it feels to be beheaded with rusty knives. Also, oh Lord, severe their penis (or other naughty bits) from their bodies in traumatic ways. Lord, take them to Heaven as soon as possible and drop their unholy bodies from very great heights whilst we humans on Earth video tape the impacts. Lord, these things I ask in your name, Amen.”
There, that should do fine. -Yarbz
June 21st, 2005 at 7:59 am
Hi ninme!
Neat post.
I never heard of this loony.
Links to Al Gore Jr, but then turns around and pickets Gore for his neutral stance on homosexuality.
In the 1970s, he won awards for helping in numerous civil rights cases. Quite the anti-racist.
Phelps pickets Al Gore Sr funeral.
Kansas is one messed up place.
Phelps must love Bush and his anti-homosexuality stances.
Thanks for standing up against discrimination of a homosexual soldier.
June 21st, 2005 at 9:22 am
Yarbzy Yarbzy, that’s not a very Christian attitude. But I won’t hold it against you.
August 12th, 2005 at 10:24 am
Dear Mr Fred Phelps:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s law. I have learned a great deal from you and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them:
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there “degrees” of abomination?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and
unchanging.
August 12th, 2005 at 10:25 am
Dear Mr Fred Phelps:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s law. I have learned a great deal from you and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them:
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there “degrees” of abomination?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and
unchanging.
October 16th, 2005 at 8:16 pm
I live in Wichita, Kansas. Yes, this is a VERY screwed up place. It’s so screwed up, I’m going to start a website on how the average Kansan thinks (which is, not with much of their brains). We’ve got funeral picketers, casino-vote tensions (we have lottery and a dog track, but no casino…?), a movement to shut down every adult business in the state, hate groups shoving pictures of bloody fetuses in the faces of high school kids, the lowest education scores in the country, and anti-poverty “the-poor-should-burn-in-hell” attitudes… from the poor themselves, oddly enough.
Yep, that’s Kansas… it’s a pretty entertaining place to live at, when you’re not knocked out by flaming crosses, flying bibles, or getting your head knocked off by bloody fetus pictures.
January 13th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Response to your posting.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
RESPONSE: Sacrifices were only made in the tabernacle/temple by qualified priests…neighbors were not a problem…unless this guy is a Levitical priest.]
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
RESPONSE: the “slavery” spoken of among the Hebrews was more like being a servant than a slave. Parents “sold” children when in poverty or dire circumstances; however, there was a 7 year outside limit—they were never “property” as in the case of more modern slavery. In fact, often the servants would covenant with the Master for a voluntary permanent arrangement (see Ex. 21:5,6) Verse 8 prohibits any “indentured servant” from being forced to leave the land of Israel. Some of the customs are foreign to us, living in the 21st century but really not very different from places like India, etc. where parents still select husbands and wives for children. Also, note Leviticus 25.39, “If one of your country men becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave. He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you.”
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
RESPONSE: This is obviously for married woman…the Bible makes no provision, in or out of the period, for immorality.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
RESPONSE: Sorry…makes no sense…Lev. 25 is not talking about Mex. Or Cans; see the answer to question b)
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
RESPONSE: The strict Sabbath laws were only applicable to Israel, which was a theocracy and a people who were clearly taught that they had a “covenant” with Jehovah (He, the husband and Israel, the wife). They were therefore in a different position than any nation before or since.
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
RESPONSE: The penalties for homosexuality and the penalties for breaking dietary regulations were far different, indicating that God viewed them in “greater” and “lesser” degrees
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
RESPONSE: Just as the sacrifice had to be perfect in every respect (because it represented Jesus…the future sacrifice) so the priest offering it had to be free of visible defect because he too, represented Christ, our Great High Priest, who was without defect. These are not arbitrary laws on the part of a “nit-picking” God but are all deeply symbolic, for the most part, pointing to God Himself or Jesus Christ. He was requiring the utmost in respect and honor. This guy needn’t worry…he’s not a priest.
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
RESPONSE: I can’t find where a death penalty is mentioned for them. This was a pagan practice, carried over from Egyptian idolatry…God forbid it…along with other idolatrous Egyptian practices such as tattooing, etc. as a mark of the separation of His people from the idols around them.
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
RESPONSE: Ridiculous… by the way, all of these dietary and ceremonial regulations were all done away with when Christ became the final sacrifice.
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
RESPONSE: The prohibitions about crops, garments, etc. were to illustrate Israel’s separateness from the other nations as a holy nation…They did have laws for stoning blasphemers and for certain egregious sexual sins…however, there is only one instance in scripture of the death penalty being carried out.
In summary, these Scriptures were the law for Israel during the period when God was King, before Israel made Saul King. They no longer apply today, because Jesus Christ became the final sacrifice to pay for our sins.